I don't argue much with morons who claim Israel is committing genocide because the premise is ludicrous and clearly wrong, and you merely end up getting into a braying contest with a jackass. On the rare occasions I do, I point out that 1200 Israelis were slaughtered on October 7th, with hamas stating they would make everyday October 7th for Israel. I then ask, in almost two years of war, how many times did Israel kill 1200 in one day? How about half that number, 600. How many times did Israel kill 600 in one day? Answer: Not once. I then ask, Why is that? Why is it with so much more military might, planes, tanks, munitions, Israel hasn't been able to match the one day death count from October 7th? That usually ends the discussion. When incoherent babbling froths from the mouth of the genocide accuser, I ask why Gaza's population has increased if there is genocide? What other genocide saw a population increase by the victim of the genocide? Jews, no. Armenians, no. Tutsis, no. Instead of defending Israel, put the onus on the accuser, ask a few pointed questions, or just walk away and not engage realizing you might be engaging with a jackass.
You are arguing the finer points of what genocide is, meanwhile people in Gaza are being killed and starved to death, locked into a place controlled by Israel. I don't care if you call it genocide or not, It is unconscionable, and that Jews are doing this, after what we went through, is even more unconscionable. My grandfather escaped pogroms in Crimea, was an army conscript in Russia, jumped off a train and made it out alive by the skin of his teeth, went to British Palestine and met his wife there, another escapee from pogroms. My father was born in Palestine but they moved to Brooklyn, because they were chased out of their kibbutz, by right wingers, (there was a connection to Jabotinsky but not sure of the exact connection). They would be horrified that the war criminal, Netanyahu, is perpetrating this violence (see how I didn't call it genocide) to save his own skin. And the right wingers would love to have GAZA back under Israel's control, but the pesky Palestinians are in their way. So why not Bomb them into oblivion and Starve them to death. Yes Hamas built tunnels, knew that Israel would invade Gaza again, but Netanyahu enabled them, trying to play them off of the Palestinian authority, dividing them. I am not "anti Zionist". Israel was formed to be a safe haven for persecuted Jews, but it has morphed into a right wing oppressive state. It would be like saying that you are against Democracy, because the US has become an authoritarian regime. But I am vehemently against this violence in Gaza and the West Bank. Because of this Israel will never see peace. You can kill all the Palestinians in Gaza, (again, I didn't call it genocide) but as long as there is one Palestinian alive, they will hate Israel.
Many of them will point to definitions of genocide and go to great lengths to
wrestle the meanings of specific statements by politicians into ‘proof’ that it is genocide
It’s almost impossible to argue or make points with these people because they are completely indoctrinated and their beliefs are of a religious nature, they aren’t willing to hear or believe anything that challenges them
When someone isn’t engaging in good faith, there’s really nothing you can say or do. You will only be labeled as a bad person to them for saying anything at all in defense of Israel
My new answer to these people is, shut up retard. and then I turn around and walk away. No point in arguing with retarded brain dead idiots. When it's all over, said and done. you've wasted your time, and they're still brain-dead retarded idiots.🤣
I find just asking them to prove it sends them off spinning, invariably, into bigotry outright racism and inevitably into Jew hatred and conspiracy theories etc. It never takes very long for the mask to slip with these people, I often think they’re happy ham ass attacked because it gives them licence to become an unfettered racist lunatic…
This is great in writing and might work with que cards to remind us how to have this discussion but few of us will have a sit down conversation with those making thes false and inciting remarks. Instead, much of this is either in on line forums or recordings of antisemitic rants.
Let’s go to the videotape and defer to the experts on genocide, even if they violate conformity with the rules of the echo chamber. Here’s a start from an esteemed scholar on genocide, who happens to be a Jewish Israeli.
Gays do spread HIV (not AIDS Mr. Pedantic; if you want to play the word game, get it right); in fact it's still the primary transmission method to the point all else is negligible in practice sans some niche third world failed medical system states.
And no Israel isn't committing genocide, but it is ghettoizing people and ethnically cleansing them. But then again Hitler wasn't genociding Jews either. At no point was he going to invade Brazil to kill a lone Jew camping out in Rio. The Holocaust is a proper noun and a marketing term, it was nothing special and was rather banal as a common practice in history since antiquity until today, i.e. Uyghurs. And in fact the lack of outrage at China shows the real hypocrisy of most people here with Israel.
I’m sorry but this is a terrible argument strategy. The second you ask the AIDs question the person is just going to say you’re a stupid homophobic bigot and ignore everything you say. Just ask ‘did the british commit genocide against the germans in ww2?’ If the answer is no then just point out that israel has been far kinder and more restrained to gaza than we were to the germans so wtf are they talking about?
I get your strategy. I think. I want to share two others. One may frustrate you, as it does me. The other you might not like, nor see as practical.
1. You cannot genocide a non-existent people. The Arabs identifying as "Palestinians" are not a people separate from the Arabs. They are actually Arabs from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and the made-up country of Jordan. They are quite diverse in appearance, and in loyalties. What's the difference between an Arab from Abu Ghosh vs. and Arab from Jenin or Tul-Karm? Definite their perspectives, and more likely than not, their clan. The Arabs of Jenin have been battling the Arabs from Shchem for ages. The Jerusalem Arabs call the Hebron Arabs stupid. I always thought that lumping together people into singular categories was forbidden? In fact, we used to call it (wait for it)... prejudice. So, why are we [like it or not] making agreements with other Arab countries? So that we can have easier access to them, to go after them?? Why would we allow UAE and Saudis (under shell corps.) to invest and buy up land in our homeland (I am against this, but no one consulted me. Etc. Etc. Of course, I can go on. LGBTQ honor killings, trans people receiving asylum in Israel... But what's the point? People have already made up their minds.
2. Stop caring so much about what non-Jews think of us. Sure, trying to reach out to our fellow Jews and wake them up. But honestly, there is only so much we can do for them. <sigh> We are so co-dependent on the love and validation from non-Jews, be they Evangelicals or progressives. It's sick, and this illness much be treated.
I don't argue much with morons who claim Israel is committing genocide because the premise is ludicrous and clearly wrong, and you merely end up getting into a braying contest with a jackass. On the rare occasions I do, I point out that 1200 Israelis were slaughtered on October 7th, with hamas stating they would make everyday October 7th for Israel. I then ask, in almost two years of war, how many times did Israel kill 1200 in one day? How about half that number, 600. How many times did Israel kill 600 in one day? Answer: Not once. I then ask, Why is that? Why is it with so much more military might, planes, tanks, munitions, Israel hasn't been able to match the one day death count from October 7th? That usually ends the discussion. When incoherent babbling froths from the mouth of the genocide accuser, I ask why Gaza's population has increased if there is genocide? What other genocide saw a population increase by the victim of the genocide? Jews, no. Armenians, no. Tutsis, no. Instead of defending Israel, put the onus on the accuser, ask a few pointed questions, or just walk away and not engage realizing you might be engaging with a jackass.
עם ישראל חי 🇮🇱
But now that the holy NyTimes admitted Israel is not committing genocide and perhaps made a dent on the woke psyche it’s worthwhile engaging
Could you share a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/22/opinion/no-israel-is-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza.html
You are arguing the finer points of what genocide is, meanwhile people in Gaza are being killed and starved to death, locked into a place controlled by Israel. I don't care if you call it genocide or not, It is unconscionable, and that Jews are doing this, after what we went through, is even more unconscionable. My grandfather escaped pogroms in Crimea, was an army conscript in Russia, jumped off a train and made it out alive by the skin of his teeth, went to British Palestine and met his wife there, another escapee from pogroms. My father was born in Palestine but they moved to Brooklyn, because they were chased out of their kibbutz, by right wingers, (there was a connection to Jabotinsky but not sure of the exact connection). They would be horrified that the war criminal, Netanyahu, is perpetrating this violence (see how I didn't call it genocide) to save his own skin. And the right wingers would love to have GAZA back under Israel's control, but the pesky Palestinians are in their way. So why not Bomb them into oblivion and Starve them to death. Yes Hamas built tunnels, knew that Israel would invade Gaza again, but Netanyahu enabled them, trying to play them off of the Palestinian authority, dividing them. I am not "anti Zionist". Israel was formed to be a safe haven for persecuted Jews, but it has morphed into a right wing oppressive state. It would be like saying that you are against Democracy, because the US has become an authoritarian regime. But I am vehemently against this violence in Gaza and the West Bank. Because of this Israel will never see peace. You can kill all the Palestinians in Gaza, (again, I didn't call it genocide) but as long as there is one Palestinian alive, they will hate Israel.
Many of them will point to definitions of genocide and go to great lengths to
wrestle the meanings of specific statements by politicians into ‘proof’ that it is genocide
It’s almost impossible to argue or make points with these people because they are completely indoctrinated and their beliefs are of a religious nature, they aren’t willing to hear or believe anything that challenges them
When someone isn’t engaging in good faith, there’s really nothing you can say or do. You will only be labeled as a bad person to them for saying anything at all in defense of Israel
I find it easier to just call them retarded.
My new answer to these people is, shut up retard. and then I turn around and walk away. No point in arguing with retarded brain dead idiots. When it's all over, said and done. you've wasted your time, and they're still brain-dead retarded idiots.🤣
I find just asking them to prove it sends them off spinning, invariably, into bigotry outright racism and inevitably into Jew hatred and conspiracy theories etc. It never takes very long for the mask to slip with these people, I often think they’re happy ham ass attacked because it gives them licence to become an unfettered racist lunatic…
Nah. The correct answer is: you can't genocide a political movement.
This is great in writing and might work with que cards to remind us how to have this discussion but few of us will have a sit down conversation with those making thes false and inciting remarks. Instead, much of this is either in on line forums or recordings of antisemitic rants.
So, we need a different presentation to hit reply
Let’s go to the videotape and defer to the experts on genocide, even if they violate conformity with the rules of the echo chamber. Here’s a start from an esteemed scholar on genocide, who happens to be a Jewish Israeli.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/20/world/video/gps0720-israel-gaza-genocide
Gays do spread HIV (not AIDS Mr. Pedantic; if you want to play the word game, get it right); in fact it's still the primary transmission method to the point all else is negligible in practice sans some niche third world failed medical system states.
And no Israel isn't committing genocide, but it is ghettoizing people and ethnically cleansing them. But then again Hitler wasn't genociding Jews either. At no point was he going to invade Brazil to kill a lone Jew camping out in Rio. The Holocaust is a proper noun and a marketing term, it was nothing special and was rather banal as a common practice in history since antiquity until today, i.e. Uyghurs. And in fact the lack of outrage at China shows the real hypocrisy of most people here with Israel.
I’m sorry but this is a terrible argument strategy. The second you ask the AIDs question the person is just going to say you’re a stupid homophobic bigot and ignore everything you say. Just ask ‘did the british commit genocide against the germans in ww2?’ If the answer is no then just point out that israel has been far kinder and more restrained to gaza than we were to the germans so wtf are they talking about?
I get your strategy. I think. I want to share two others. One may frustrate you, as it does me. The other you might not like, nor see as practical.
1. You cannot genocide a non-existent people. The Arabs identifying as "Palestinians" are not a people separate from the Arabs. They are actually Arabs from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and the made-up country of Jordan. They are quite diverse in appearance, and in loyalties. What's the difference between an Arab from Abu Ghosh vs. and Arab from Jenin or Tul-Karm? Definite their perspectives, and more likely than not, their clan. The Arabs of Jenin have been battling the Arabs from Shchem for ages. The Jerusalem Arabs call the Hebron Arabs stupid. I always thought that lumping together people into singular categories was forbidden? In fact, we used to call it (wait for it)... prejudice. So, why are we [like it or not] making agreements with other Arab countries? So that we can have easier access to them, to go after them?? Why would we allow UAE and Saudis (under shell corps.) to invest and buy up land in our homeland (I am against this, but no one consulted me. Etc. Etc. Of course, I can go on. LGBTQ honor killings, trans people receiving asylum in Israel... But what's the point? People have already made up their minds.
2. Stop caring so much about what non-Jews think of us. Sure, trying to reach out to our fellow Jews and wake them up. But honestly, there is only so much we can do for them. <sigh> We are so co-dependent on the love and validation from non-Jews, be they Evangelicals or progressives. It's sick, and this illness much be treated.
https://esseragaroth.substack.com/p/the-pseudostinians
YES!!